TOYOTA GRANVIA. AT THE MERCY OF THE COMPUTER.
Ever had car troubles that just keep coming back and no matter how many times you took it back to the mechanic, they just cannot find the culprit but you ended up paying for it with no results? I’m certain every car owner has his/her share of bad luck when Murphy’s Law takes over and leave you stranded!

Ever since I left sold my personally cared-for 1998 Subaru Impreza WRXÂ and rolled up my motorsports interests, my ride has been the Japanese domestic spec’d Toyota Granvia and is 10 years old this year! For almost a year now, my car suffered a problem that left me manually shifting a full automatic transmission vehicle from L to 2 to D before it would go.
 
In the beginning it would only happen intermittently (the worse kind of trouble) and if you can relate to this problem, the transmission would not kick down to L when it should so the car pretty much stayed in D and vehicle would be too heavy to leave the line at a junction or traffic light—this isn’t only extremely annoying but potentially dangerous. Imagine having to put up with this for nearly a year since it started occuring and you can imagine my reluctance to commute long journeys and you can probably relate now why I dread my work commutes–this problem just compounds it!
So, after many months of failed attempts to fix it, I [nearly] gave up looking for help and decided to live with it. Most mechanics claimed it’s the solenoids acting up and there are like 2 or 4 pcs of those in any auto ‘box. Drawing on my motoring experience, I had my doubts. Another mechanic suggested servicing the valve body, change of oil, etc to the point I had the transmission recently checked for physical defects but found none.
The fix. It wasn’t until this Christmas holiday when my dad decided to look at the ECU (electronic control unit), the computer that manages the entire operation of the vehicle and often has capacity to learn and adapt to driving patterns. It was discovered that one of the two condensers had leaked onto the printed board and inadvertently shorted the circuit that controls the transmission functions. What a relief to have finally found the culprit the fixing it was next to nothing. A misdiagnosis isn’t only frustrating but can be a very costly affair pretty much like a wrongly diagnosed illness. Had I not been careful, the repair costs would have easily set me back a thousand dollars or more from experimenting efforts.
Although there’s a wealth of information on the web, it seemed no one has encountered a problem like this or published a report of one that I could find. I decided to post this article as a contribution to the growing list of problems owners encounter, no matter how unique it may be!
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Zul 11:58 am on December 28, 2007 Permalink |
In Brunei, your car is your best friend. Anyone really use the public transport system in Brunei ?
Jan Shim 12:24 pm on December 28, 2007 Permalink |
If we had a reliable and efficient public transport system much like our neighbours, I would be a regular commuter and time-share the family vehicle. I would probably still own a car but drive it much less when it isn’t needed.
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toyotaz 3:33 pm on January 9, 2008 Permalink |
nice post… thanx..!
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Jessie 7:08 am on March 21, 2008 Permalink |
Jessie
I found you while searching google today. You’ll be happy to know your site was at the top of the results. Anyway. I added you to my Digg bookmarks. Good stuff!
johnny 8:22 am on May 15, 2008 Permalink |
thanks for the hints about dodgy electrics,you can spend a lot of time looking in the wrong direction !
Jan Shim 8:47 am on May 15, 2008 Permalink |
Thank you Jessie. Your comment got buried in an avalanche of comments that poured in and I think I missed it earlier until Johnny’s comment that steered me to this page.
The new generation vehicles are all computerised and that scares me! It scares me to think that in a matter of 10-15 years when all the old school cars are no longer road worthy and scrapped, many jobs will be lost! I used to hang out at workshops enough to see the kind of problems that plagued cars, quite an alarmingly number of cases were ECU related. With today’s electronics sophistication and manufacturer adament to stop unauthorised removal of the computers, what’s there left to do besides oil and filter change!
Mar 11:18 am on November 11, 2008 Permalink |
Thank for the info.
Hey, your father is good in electronics. Got problems with the ECU too. I think this is the worse that can happen while using your van intermittent stoppage. Totally dead engine while on the road but when you start it start again.
Do you have any more stuff related to the ECU?
Jan Shim 11:53 am on November 11, 2008 Permalink |
I don’t have much experience dealing with faulty ECUs in the past.
Even as I was messing with an aftermarket ECU in my Subaru WRX years
ago, engine stalling came from user error when entering parameters
that controlled engine behaviour. As for the Granvia’s ECU, I was
fortunate that the problem (leaky condensers) was obvious. Like my
mom who has green fingers, my dad is extremely knowledgeable with all
things electronics and sometimes his approach to troubleshooting just
baffles me. I’m glad you stopped by and I have very little
information to offer you with regards to ECU. I’m sure you’ll fare
better with Google.
Mar 2:34 pm on November 11, 2008 Permalink |
If it is not asking to much Ian, does your ECU have this Toyota part # 89661-26170 or Denso 175800-1333 12V?
The toyota service manual indicates some outright problem in the ECU which is a very costly option for a poor Filipino like me. So I am looking out for the other sources of information like you and the internet.
Jan Shim 2:42 pm on November 11, 2008 Permalink |
Well, my unit has both TOYOTA & DENSO numbers on
the top sticker. Not sure how this information is
useful but here you go. These cars are sold as
gray import only so there’s no real support for Granvia’s in Brunei.
TOYOTA 89661—26280
DENSO 175800—1543 12V
Mar 4:08 pm on November 12, 2008 Permalink |
Is your granvia from japan model 2000 and 4WD? because your ECU is similar to the toyota prado 1KZ-TE.
Mine is a toyota super custom 1kz-te 3.0li. yours being a newer model uses a much newer ECU. I wonder how much that ecu cost in brunei.
Jan Shim 4:21 pm on November 12, 2008 Permalink |
As far as I am aware, all Granvias are Japanese domestic-spec vehicles. I may be wrong but I noticed that the Granvias that are sold in the UK, New Zealand etc are gray-imported from Japan. The registration papers from Japan has my car stated at 1996 which makes the car 12 years old this year. Interesting that the 1KZ-TE ECU has enjoyed a long and useful shelf life.
As for cost of the ECU, provided it’s at all available in the used market, I can help you check. My car is RWD. Reply with details of ECU part number and I’ll see if the shops have them. They are located in the Brunei capital and are a little over an hour’s drive away.
Mar 11:27 am on November 17, 2008 Permalink |
Sorry for the late response my kids had school works to research. Here is my ECU. It have this Toyota part # 89661-26170 or Denso 175800-1333 12V?
Good for your units that comes from Japan there is no need for conversion.
Well thanks for taking the time and trouble of looking for the price for me.
Some how I hope this diagram will help you in your future ECU troubles. If not you your father perhaps.
this diagram is for Toyota part # 89661-26170 or Denso 175800-1333 12V? japan’s super custom model’94
I hope that it is similar with your TOYOTA 89661-26280
DENSO 175800-1543 12V. Please tell me if they are different
http://ferrit.ozonejunkie.com/gallery/d/11701-1/1KZTEWIRINGKZN130.png …
Redkia 8:02 pm on February 13, 2009 Permalink |
Thanks for your information
I just bough used engine KZ-TE with ECU toyota 89661-26170 ,denso 175800-1333 12V. I can’t find out ecu pin out diagram ,coud anyone help me please.
my e-mail add. somdej@hotmail.com
Marcelo 9:44 pm on March 5, 2009 Permalink |
tengo problemas con la instalacion electrica de la ECU 88661 – 26170 si alguien me podria facilitar el diagrama de conexion se lo agradeceria mucho o por lo menos donde encontrarlo
Jan Shim 10:26 pm on March 5, 2009 Permalink |
Marcelo, care to translate that for me please?
You may use the Google Language Tools
antonio franklin 8:58 am on July 16, 2009 Permalink |
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